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VNVixen
02-16-2003, 05:47 PM
I HAVE THE ANSWER!!!!
After months of dealing with an unknown attacker on my reef tank, the answer has developed. Let me fill you in.
I use the same RO water on my reef tank as in my freshwater planted tank, purchased from a local water store called Water n’ Ice. In my fresh water tanks, I have been attempting to lower my pH to 6 in order to house Discus fish and plants. The way I achieve this is by draining the RO water over a bail of peat moss into a big Rubbermaid tub. Consequently, I have been having a problem with this. See, filtered RO ran over peat moss should take your pH down to 6 or lower. My pH would only go down to 6.8. In addition to this, my GH was saying at around 15 degrees, when I need it to be around 2. So I posted the question on “The Planted Tank”. I received these replies.

“The whole point of RO is to remove all minerals. This would take the KH and GH to near zero if running properly. Something is wrong with your RO unit.

jtm”

“I bought my R.O. unit from "water n ice" and my water out of the unit checks kh 2, gh 2. I would tell them where you buy it exactly what your problem is. I bet they are unaware of it.
ridns



DING DING DING!!!!

So sure enough, I tested my RO water straight and it is CRAP!!!! The pH is 9!!!!! The KH is 5, the GH is 20!!!!! The RO water is not really RO water. (I am so going to sue!!!!) In short, my TAP WATER is better than what my poor tanks have been using. I have lost a $70 Discus and a whole reef set up!!! I am REALLY mad!!!

My conclusion is this. Because I pre prep all my water a week to a month in advance, the water parameters had time to adjust by the time I would test it before it went into the tank. My tank parameters have been fine, as well as the prepped water, BUT, who knows what things are in this unfiltered water I have been using. My ALK has always been high at about 3.6 to 4, but that is as high as my test kit goes. Even though I have had my water tested at 2 different lfs, who really knows what the ALK is at prior to adequate time for buffering.
The newbie moral of the story is:
When you go to the gas station, test the gas and make sure it is actually 87 octanes before you put it in your car and blow your engine. AND SUE THAT GAS STATION AFTER THE EXPLOSION!!!!!

Thank you everyone for your help. I have learned a valuable and expensive lesson.

phistio
02-16-2003, 06:13 PM
glad to hear!!!

as a side note...some time ago i tested my local RO water that i always use...phosohates are high in my RO....infact higher then my normal tap!

anemoneman
02-16-2003, 06:18 PM
This is probably a stupid question but are you sure you were using the RO water and not the effluent from the membrane? There's no way an RO unit can give you poorer water than what you started with unless you were concentrating the pollutants (like the waste water from the membrane).

puffer55
02-16-2003, 06:23 PM
How much water have you made with this filter? Do you have a DI cartridge? I just bought an RO filter so im curious! Thanks

VNVixen
02-16-2003, 06:29 PM
I did not make the water. I bought it from the store. I dont think that it could have been waste water unless the have their store set up to despense it.

So here is my new question. What kind of water should I use now????

phistio
02-16-2003, 06:33 PM
i think there is a misunderstanding...

i don't have an RO unit...(and i don't think VNVixen does either, as she buys her RO from "Fire n' Ice...)

i buy my RO from the local grocery store...

i was curious one day, and so i tested my RO water for nitrates, nitrites, and phosphates...trates and trites were 0...phosohate tested positive @ 1+...

i've always used the same RO water as long as i had the tank...and I've not had any real problems with excessive algae...i attribute the fact that all the macro-algae in my tank utilizes the nutrients quite efficiently.

reefrunner
02-16-2003, 07:27 PM
If the water quality were effected that much, you would have noticed it pretty quick. I would take a sample to a trusted LFS and have them double check your readings.

anemoneman
02-16-2003, 07:49 PM
So sure enough, I tested my RO water straight and it is CRAP!!!! The pH is 9!!!!! The KH is 5, the GH is 20!!!!! The RO water is not really RO water
"RO" water that is that bad MUST be the waste water. The fact that you bought it from a store doesn't change the possibility that an idiot plumbed the thing up. I remember a thread on another board about this same type of thing. Someone had a mysterious tank crash right after a water change only to find out the water they bought from an LFS was the waste water from an RO filter. A letter from their lawyer got them some store credit but only after an employee admitted the mistake.

VNVixen
02-19-2003, 09:49 AM
I have had 3 personal emails from fellow board members who live in AZ wanting to know where this place is, so I am going to post it here as well.

This water n ice is on Alma School and Ray Road in Chandler.
For those looking, I did find an alternative water source. Aquarium Arts has a huge RO/DI system and sells water for .30 a gallon. The store is located on Baseline just east of Dobson. The water is SO pure, you need to add some tap water to it. I just did a 50% water change on Sunday with the water, and nothing has died yet!!! j/k

Good luck to all. [/b][/u]

anemoneman
02-19-2003, 09:52 AM
The water is SO pure, you need to add some tap water to it.
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